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Brand name of this toilet? |
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Calc Electric Tank Standby Losses |
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venting a powervent next to a garage access door |
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Best way to connect these two pipes |
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Delta Multichoice Valve trim in Sterling Accord |
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sump pump recommendation |
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bad day |
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cracked toilet |
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Leaking Shower Faucet - Gerber |
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how many waterheaters in 1 day? |
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pex connections |
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slow drain washing mach |
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sum (FL)
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symmons remodel plate |
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sewer stopper |
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Stud finders aren't always right |
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Gray water into old septic system? |
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Flushmate |
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Case 3000 toilets |
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running water in "bleed off drain" behind hot water heater |
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faucet inlet size and supply line size |
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bobalou (NJ)
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Sioux Chief Ox Box |
sum (FL)
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Plumbing in ICF house |
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copper pipe |
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Mystery pipe update - now with more mysteries! |
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new vanity |
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having to plunge toilet after every use |
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Copper DWV Piping through the house |
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new sealed waterheaters and basement flooding |
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toilet runs |
shumph29 (KY)
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Leaking Shower Faucet |
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vent pipe broke |
frakes (WI)
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Water bill has been high...... |
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Shower temperature knob screws up pressure? |
cameronjones (VA)
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American Standard Lexinton 2006/2007 |
genminmar (CA)
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looking for some ideas on gas testing |
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Shared vent? |
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Run supply across wall or above ceiling? |
sum (FL)
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franke kitchen single handle sprayer faucet |
Bob in Va (VA)
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High Tank Toilet Stopper |
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garbage disposers need to be on a dedicated circuit |
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water softener not working |
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Moen Bathroon Faucet |
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PVC Mfg. say sealant only, NO tape |
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adding a second in-line gas meter |
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sewer smell from master bathroom sink |
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Newbies: Please do NOT show your email address |
vic
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laundry sink back up |
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Laundry sink |
sum (FL)
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shower door |
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Toilet fills slow and makes loud sound like valve is half open |
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well water sediment |
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Peppermint test |
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Tub Drain Not Watertight? |
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ReluctantPlumber (WA)
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Repairing a Valley - Single Control Pressure Balance Bath & Shower |
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Zoeller ejector pump out |
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Build a Hot water tank |
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squeking noise in pipes |
Talawan (NJ)
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toilet overflow |
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Replaced Water Heater ... but now pipes make loud clanging noise... |
cluelessgirl (IL)
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Pex crimp question |
Fixitangel (NC)
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legal or not laundry drain |
teg60 (CA)
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Water trapped inside a pipe sleeve |
sum (FL)
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Does it matter which way to turn a dry vent? |
sum (FL)
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Tankless remote control error message (Paloma 7.4) |
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Thread tape vs. pipe dope |
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Anti scald shower valve |
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Why a tee for a faucet? |
drm (OR)
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shower head question |
CanuckWolf (Non-US)
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Water Heater Gas/Oil? |
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working around a palmer valve |
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Hose Bibb - non-frostproof quarter turn |
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hot water comeing out of cold side |
duanecdays (IN)
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copper solder joints underground |
waukeshaplumbing (WI)
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slow tub drain |
seanwristen (CA)
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THANK YOU -bathroom Pipe |
bluekittie (MO)
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Thermostatic or Volume Pressure Valve? |
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Sink Adhesive has a gross, slimy, dark, mildew film |
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Shower pressure |
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Loose tiles and disintegrating board. |
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1950's Calif septic design |
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Replacing old Delta tub fixtures with American Standard |
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tankless water heater problem |
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low water pressure, fridge water line, 2 outside faucets, new... |
Falkn (VA)
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Cold water is warm |
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badger food waste disposer cracked |
silerm (OH)
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flush valve (seat disk) on 55-year-old toilet |
c4 (OH)
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1 1/2" or 2" Washer Standpipe? |
RTLII (CT)
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Hard working apprentice - fun post |
Fixitangel (NC)
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old toilet w/leak |
jimmyoceans (NY)
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leaking into kitchen from bathroom |
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Gasoline Plumbing |
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AAV (air admitance valve) |
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Threading 1/2" pipe |
k9taxi (UT)
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Water stop running in my sink |
Atlantasfinest345 (GA)
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Leaking hot water heater |
natasha (VA)
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toilet problems |
help please (MI)
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I have sunken concrete shower backflow problem |
ssp (TX)
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P-trap: not enough room? |
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quality outdoor faucet for bbq island in socal |
ainla (CA)
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Outdoor spigot |
kitch528 (NC)
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Trimed washfountian |
bill plumber (FL)
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Fun with old houses... |
joshwill (LA)
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Water Softener Advice |
KMichaels (PA)
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bathroom sink p trap? |
lance70 (MO)
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New one to me! |
Shoemaker2 (MA)
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TUB Drain help please |
ablumny (NY)
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Fluctuating Shower Water Temperature |
george 7941
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AAV Horizontal? |
jeffreys76 (PA)
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Bathtub faucet |
orsara (PA)
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How do I replace a cast iron flange? |
catpace (OH)
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shower/tub to walk-in shower |
c-cubed (CA)
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Bathtub handle partly into wall |
ahnonamis (OR)
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moen tap cartrige question |
Drie (Non-US)
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Leak occurs only with shower or sink faucet |
spenrock (Non-US)
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toilet handle hard to push down on suddenly |
Lipwak (NY)
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Pressure Pump Cycling On Off |
JWMSnook (FL)
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Plumbing issue with backup and septic tank |
jqnc (NC)
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my threaded pipe connections often leak |
dpm (OR)
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Rock Salt Turn to Gel |
Wheelchair
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Hansgrohe Thermobalance II Shower Valve |
sum (FL)
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water meter, nyc |
jimmyoceans (NY)
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Trap to vent distance |
dscogin (AR)
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Kitchen sink drain pipe |
micc (OH)
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Leaking fuel oil tank |
bullman40 (MD)
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Acrylic shower base that flexes and is starting to crack |
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Pulsating noise |
seacoast (Non-US)
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Leaking pressure balance valve (Valley) |
steve71291 (LA)
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New floor, new toilet...new flange? |
cheese4420 (AZ)
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pex types compatible? |
Fixitangel (NC)
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Sprinkler line tee has bad thread |
sum (FL)
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No Hub Couplings |
sum (FL)
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Response From VA: Tankless Water Heaters |
Plumb_Chewy (VA)
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vintage faucet dripping |
janeinaz (AZ)
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washing machine |
bldecker (NY)
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cap for 1/4od fridge line |
waukeshaplumbing (WI)
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Re: Outside spigot with plastic "winterizing" piece causing leak |
Jibaro (VA)
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Showerheads/aerators |
JWCWI (DC)
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Tub using all the water pressure - 1 story house |
viahouston (TX)
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Hot water tpr valve leaking |
jlcrewcut (OH)
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Satin Nickel vs Brush Nickel |
sum (FL)
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kitchen sink drain leaking again |
leakyplumber (AL)
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How Do You Find Leaks Around Threading? |
nullqwerty (MA)
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thank you |
jmk1781 (CA)
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Got my first service call hug |
SwimRunPlumb (MI)
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Thanks Wheelchair! |
dada (IA)
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pex tube to hydronic baseboard? |
rschaab (NJ)
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11 |
Pipe leak |
bluekittie (MO)
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9 |
Water Heater Move |
denny (CA)
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Vacation ? - do I turn main water line off |
onvacation (GA)
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Interesting service call tonight |
SwimRunPlumb (MI)
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10 |
Metal ball valve with PVC pipe? |
treeman8 (MI)
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water hammer |
teg60 (CA)
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Custom bath/shower |
BigBadBranBran (MI)
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clean out |
ronpo50 (CO)
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Long Supply Line - Need Help |
rookie980 (AL)
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Drain for 2nd Sink |
sgklein (PA)
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update/repipingFLcopper |
MiikieFlorida (FL)
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back up |
ronpo50 (CO)
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10 |
connecting pex/copper/pb |
ericsandstone (MD)
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PVC Pipe Galvanized Pipe |
amofobro (NY)
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Old pipe-- new picture-- |
bluekittie (MO)
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6 |
lineaaqua hypnos kitchen faucet nut removal |
hamishm (CA)
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2 |
whistling shower head |
louisck (NY)
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5 |
Happy Father's Day |
SMSPlumbing (PA)
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4 |
help finding supply setup for exposed deck mount faucet |
waukeshaplumbing (WI)
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Pipe leak behind bathroom sink wall. |
bluekittie (MO)
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9 |
low pressure in only one of the bathrooms, hot water faucet? |
losrobles (CA)
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shut off per fixture code. |
LemonPlumber (FL)
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10 |
water pressure reducer problem? |
rschaab (NJ)
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14 |
"odd" cast iron pipe |
HytechPlumber (LA)
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3 |
Help with an educational plumbing questions for kids... |
MarksMagic (NJ)
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26 |
replacing overflow bathtub gasket |
inovermyhead (CT)
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8 |
Hello People! |
e-plumber (NY)
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frost free hose bib leak at Vacuum breaker |
Doug E. (CA)
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6 |
How to use Roebic Root Killer |
questionguy101 (CA)
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Outside spigot with plastic "winterizing" piece causing leak |
thunderbry (VA)
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5 |
How to get longer lasting hot water in shower? |
pglaw24 (ME)
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8 |
34 x 34 shower enclosure |
SMSPlumbing (PA)
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10 |
Set Americast Tubs in Mortar? |
jerco (MD)
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12 |
low water pressure bathroom sink |
tam (PA)
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2 |
Help me identify a tub/shower part |
gromit615 (LA)
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7 |
Pipe History ? |
Fixitangel (NC)
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13 |
new apartment tub uneven |
busybee (PA)
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8 |
Yellow glued gas pipe |
denny (CA)
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9 |
code- height requirement on toilet or sink? |
waukeshaplumbing (WI)
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16 |
American Standard flush valve 042750-0070A |
marlene18 (IL)
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7 |
cleaner pipes and traps in kitchen and bathrooms |
cleanpipes (NY)
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14 |
New Tub |
rysieks (IL)
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15 |
gas service |
dlh (TX)
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13 |
Leaky shower valve |
seanppp (CA)
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7 |
water temperature advice needed |
babifav (CA)
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3 |
Grease Traps |
Nayman's Drain Services (Non-US)
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29 |
Hydrolock Leaking |
nosweat (FL)
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12 |
Draining of a Dehumidifier |
marvinshos (NY)
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13 |
no p traps |
rkneeland (Non-US)
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11 |
Moen Hydrolock Connector |
nosweat (FL)
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6 |
Strange material stopping up kitchen sink drain |
fairfield (VA)
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New thread on 4" galvy repair |
flightseven (FL)
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14 |
What should we do in case new washer overflows |
Twiliath (PA)
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drain pipe or vent clogged? |
Dr. Guy Nicologist (GA)
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How do I fix this garbage disposal problem? |
jhfett (WI)
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6 |
new connections |
Cracker (GA)
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water spraying from floor!!! |
quickxs (CA)
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16 |
removing Am. standard diverter |
NICK (CA)
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3 |
ALL drains backing up after flushing glass down toilet |
hamiltonplatt3 (FL)
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3 |
Shop-Vac Disaster |
wisca (FL)
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2 |
hotwater stem |
rockman (TX)
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1 |
Water well |
vegasritah (NM)
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4 |
hotwater stem |
rockman (TX)
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4 |
pex condensation |
curtis_14 (NC)
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3 |
How to Upgrade a non-ADA compliant toilet... |
ClassicBathFan82 (OR)
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Tank-less.interior |
LemonPlumber (FL)
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22 |
sewer smell when I do laundry, it's coming from old pipe |
vegasritah (NM)
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3 |
Don't want a hole in my wall!! |
Amy31 (CA)
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16 |
disaster |
wisca (FL)
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10 |
PEX TUBING |
curtis_14 (NC)
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7 |
3/8" copper tubing |
BPS238 (IN)
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9 |
water pump |
craig adderley (FL)
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10 |
Shower Head and Tub Spout - water coming out of both |
robertlennie (MI)
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19 |
Hot water line issues |
hicarbon (VA)
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9 |
Please help...don't know what to do... |
Pipeproblems12477 (NY)
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8 |
what does it mean? |
hearby53 (Non-US)
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12 |
Outdoor sewer smell. |
x apprentice 22 (MA)
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9 |
Need to repair a 4" galvanized pressure main on high rise |
flightseven (FL)
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22 |
Outdoor faucet leak |
sburton1313 (IN)
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8 |
Navien Tankless Water Heaters |
PA_Plumber (PA)
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14 |
fire safing collar install |
waukeshaplumbing (WI)
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14 |
water heater relief valve |
abraham (CA)
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6 |
Changing a faucet question |
bry84an420 (FL)
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24 |
Rusted, broken chain |
babrams (CA)
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12 |
Drain and overflow for Sterling Accord Bath/Shower |
scotty47 (Non-US)
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8 |
Replaced Sump pump - now have air lock problem |
doug_mb (Non-US)
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35 |
tankless water heater install |
waukeshaplumbing (WI)
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33 |
Pex = scale reduction? |
treeman8 (MI)
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5 |
Will roots cross clay soil to get to water |
jblanche (WI)
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8 |
Copper to cpvc water line |
lwmoreau (LA)
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6 |
Clay sewer line replacement |
BusterRoadrunner (GA)
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17 |
Aerator issue |
dada (IA)
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8 |
Pot filler-outside wall |
SwimRunPlumb (MI)
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7 |
Location of sprinkler heads |
sum (FL)
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5 |
Tankless hot water heaters |
RobR (NY)
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13 |
Sand in Bath Drain |
jferioli3 (FL)
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18 |
pressure switch or bladder tank? |
RobR (NY)
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18 |
toilet flushing problems |
huntinglover (NY)
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9 |
Sharkbite water pressure regulator |
lwmoreau (LA)
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2 |
rusty water |
davei (MI)
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4 |
water softener |
mollygirl (FL)
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8 |
VERY slow drain |
jkjeep (MI)
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7 |
Neorest 600 |
CanuckWolf (Non-US)
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8 |
Sounds like flow but no flow or leak!! |
seanppp (CA)
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9 |
Installing a pressure guage in water line |
lwmoreau (LA)
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3 |
Increasing supply pipe size |
AnotherDIYer (NY)
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5 |
O rings in water facuet |
foxfire (GA)
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5 |
no water coming from bathroom faucet |
renata (OH)
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4 |
toto toilet |
atlas1 (NY)
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10 |
Water heaters |
lwmoreau (LA)
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10 |
repiping from copper/FL |
MiikieFlorida (FL)
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12 |
American Standard Fontaine One Piece Toilet Built in 1989 |
vstoyko (Non-US)
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6 |
Electronic Sump Pump Switches |
chevys10
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1 |
Latoscana, Pegasus and Gracier Bay |
sum (FL)
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14 |
tub spout for Kohler SOK tub |
waukeshaplumbing (WI)
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7 |
Leaky Kitchen Faucet |
YakG (CA)
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5 |
Strap / Connector to have 2 PVC Pipes run side-by-side? |
Jim_Maine
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6 |
kitchen faucet |
jen47 (FL)
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5 |
Root problem |
questionguy101 (CA)
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6 |
multiple shower heads |
hj
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17 |
Toto – Eco Promenade (CST423EFG) |
Rick Laser (CA)
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7 |
rotor rooter |
robinkwatson (MN)
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19 |
garage floor drain-sand interceptor |
SwimRunPlumb (MI)
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10 |
moving a toilet drain |
sparkzbarca (MO)
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5 |
double sinks |
Silas (NJ)
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10 |
septic smell from washer |
pelleg (MA)
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9 |
Adding a basement Bathroom |
bfd8656 (ND)
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5 |
cistern watering |
Ellen (NY)
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13 |
hydroright dual flush converter |
jmk1781 (CA)
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3 |
Low water flow from toilet shut off valve. |
Hugenpoet (MA)
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12 |
Stubbing Pex out through finished floor |
dpm (OR)
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6 |
BEST SHOWER FAUCET/ one handle |
cody101 (NC)
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5 |
Flushing the toilet shakes the house |
ddrowe (GA)
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6 |
Cleanout Plug |
bondrey102 (NJ)
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4 |
Wall mount faucet asymmetrical - how to correct? |
sum (FL)
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10 |
Aqua Seal retrofit? |
steve (CA)
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5 |
Kitchen Sink Height |
nosweat (FL)
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7 |
An overflow repair |
AHS (OR)
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8 |
for those too young to remember why we have memorial day |
packy
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7 |
presure problems |
tlmc316 (GA)
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2 |
concinnity |
gvp (MA)
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1 |
Integral aprons on bath tubs? |
steve3144 (PA)
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5 |
Float - Kohler Toilet Model K4519 - 20580 S1887. |
shi594 (WI)
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small worm-like things in toilet |
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Cast iron drain stack within exterior brick/block wall |
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4 |
Lawn Irrigation Pumps... |
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7 |
HansGrohe advice |
waukeshaplumbing (WI)
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4 |
Computer Dummy |
royboy (SC)
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8 |
plumbers putty is magical |
waukeshaplumbing (WI)
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2 |
Advice needed |
rayh78
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30 |
Bees coming in thru vent? |
Fixitangel (NC)
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5 |
Electric solder tool |
SMSPlumbing (PA)
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11 |
Moen Kitchen faucet |
fizzoo (TX)
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7 |
Shower and tub valves - Too many choices |
steve3144 (PA)
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11 |
hot water problem |
jmk1781 (CA)
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7 |
how to patch screw hole in abs waste stack |
jtironman (PA)
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3 |
hissing noise unless main water valve is shut off |
newyork101
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3 |
Kohler tank number k 4512 m9 Is this a low flush model? |
brendacat (CA)
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6 |
yikes... 21 GPM body spray control |
packy
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16 |
Body Sprays |
afterhoursplumbing (MI)
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17 |
300 toilets dumped in ocean |
NICK (CA)
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10 |
drain pipe installed off vertical |
rufussrgnt (TN)
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6 |
Lead Wool In Mass.??? |
plmbrgrl (MA)
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8 |
BATHROOM REMODEL ?? |
stuc7592 (ID)
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5 |
gas line compression fitting |
Rburchett (KY)
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9 |
Advice; pressure tanks |
bngates (OR)
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7 |
Name that hose! |
Krusau (MA)
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22 |
"instant hot water" |
AwwGeez (Non-US)
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5 |
kohler mixing valve |
lucky dog (CA)
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6 |
faucet trouble |
pettyofficer_wise (LA)
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8 |