Greetings All--new here and have a problem...

1)....Homeowner...I have a Moen Tub valve that uses a replacement BRASS cartridge 1200 ...

2)...I replaced my other tub valve years ago and had to "tap" the "sleeve" that remained in the valve body which was rusted inside...

3)...After not using my other tub/shower for literally many years, it was now a problem....I was able to remove the valve core and remove the sleeve (as above)...

4)....Don't ask me how or why but, I put in the WRONG valve (valve cartridge #1225 see picts) into the valve body....It is stuck and cannot get it out..

5)...There may be a possibility that I can, and with extreme force, pull the cartridge out by inserting a screw where the circular faucet handle...
I don't know if I can split/crack that plastic valve but, I do not want to damage the large valve body as you see it the picts.....My ultimate last hope is to take a small drill but and drill a series of small holes into the visible portions of the plastic valve and shatter it...Could use some help guys...THANKS!

I have been forcibly pulling on the stem of the valve and it won't budge...At the end of that cartridge there are two "half sleeves'' of rubber (see pict labeled wrong valves)....Ya think that one of them came loose and is binding?....

I do not want to crack or split the valve body!....It seems to me that if it slid in, it should slide out...

**NOTE - I typed all this out and it seems a bi-ch to attach picts here**

The 1200 and 1225 are interchangable. Have you tried rotating the cartridge 90* with the plastic tool that comes with a new cartridge? There are pullers available for stuck cartridges. And if the puller fails and the center valve spool pulls out of the cartridge body, there's a method to extract the outer cartridge body.

*Thanks for the reply....

*NOTE: caps are not yelling and only serve to segregate parts of the conversation**

The 1200 and 1225 are interchangable.
YES, THEY SLIDE IN THE SAME BUT, FUNCTION DIFFERENTLY BY DESIGN...

Have you tried rotating the cartridge 90* with the plastic tool that comes with a new cartridge?
*OF COURSE!...THE "TOOL" IS CRA-OLA!...I HAVE ROTATED THIS PITA ALL OVER THE PLACE AND IT WON'T BUDGE...

There are pullers available for stuck cartridges.
YES, THERE IS...I HAVE A PULLER.....I HAD TO USE A TAP TO FORCE THE OLD ONE OUT...I WAS GOING TO POST PICTS BUT THIS SITE/FORUM IS NOT USER FRIENDLY TO POST ANY...IT SHOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO POST AN ATTACHMENT/PICT INSTEAD OF A LINK TO SOMEPLACE ELSE.

And if the puller fails and the center valve spool pulls out of the cartridge body, there's a method to extract the outer cartridge body.
USING A *TAP* AND DIE, A GRADE 8 BOLT AND A LARGER NUT AS A SPACER, I DRAGGED THE OLD ONE OUT...I PUT IN THE *INCORRECT* VALVE BEFORE I REALIZED IT AND I CAN ONLY PULL IT OUT TO THE EDGE...GONNA CHECK FOR A POSSIBLE BURR AT THE VALVE BODY END TOMORROW AND SEE IF THAT IS THE CAUSE...LIKE I STATED, I DID MY OTHER BAT/TUB A FEW YEARS BACK...THE "INCORRECT" VALVE I PUT IN HAS 2 RUBBER SLEEVES THAT I CAN PEEL OFF WITH MY FINGERS AND WAS THINKING ONE COULD HAVE SHIFTED...WHO KNOWS...



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The 1200 and 1225 are interchangeable. They are both pull and turn and Moen even states that they are interchangeable.

Yes, as Steve stated, the 1200 and the 1225 are interchangeable. The 1200 has a brass body but the dimensions are the same. It is odd that you are having so much difficulty getting the 1225 out. The valve body and the 1225 has to be greased liberally before insertion of the 1225.

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05-16-2k26 12:22pm Saturday eastern time USA.

What I thought was the problem, WAS!.....(I wish someone would modify this site for drag and drop picts!)...

1)...As I previously stated, the INCORRECT cartridge has 2 "half-sleeves" of rubber at the end inserted into the valve body....The rubber detached and bound up the valve......

2)...I Man-handled the stem, applied more PB Blaster, and the stem came out.....To note, I did overly grease the incorrect valve when it was inserted,

**NEXT:
3)...Unpacking the CORRECT valve, greased the s-ht out of it, including the valve bore...

4)....While handling the CORRECT NEW valve, the stem (with the part the handle screws onto), came out....**Is there a difference as to how this
re-inserts?...We are talking about the INNER VALVE STEM...

I can still rotate everything but, since I can't post a pict,, the stem seems to have a symmetrical and not symmetrical holes...

5)...What I am seeing is left is hot, right is cold - no problem......HOWEVER rotating to the left (hot), reduces water flow greatly...Seems to me that that inner valve has to be placed in a specific way...



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Thanks for reply...

Yes, I know that....It should have simply slid out...See my additional comments in this thread...

Maybe a piece of rubber from the 1225 broke off and is in the hot water passage, reducing the flow?

I applied a shop-vac to the "valve body" to get out any debris...

I also turned water ON both H=C to remove any debris...

.BUT, my initial question is;
**IF THE VALVE STEM, WHICH HAS NUMEROUS HOLES ( MAYBE ONE HOLE NOT LINED UP OR PLACED DIFFERENTLY) HAS A SPECIFIC WAY TO BE INSERTED...

The brass outer body of the cartridge can go in in 2 directions(makes no difference), 180* from each other, allowing the retainer clip to slide in. The inner spool can be installed in 2 directions, 180* from each other and the only difference is the hot and cold get reversed. There's a restriction in a water passage.

THANKS FOR THE REPLY...

The brass outer body of the cartridge can go in in 2 directions(makes no difference),
*NO DIFFERENCE??....I THOUGHT THAT IF HOT AND COLD WERE REVERSED, THAT THE RETAINER CLIP WOULD HAVE TO BE TAKEN OUT AND THE "OUTER SLEEVE" (THE SECTION OF THE VALVE THAT THE VALVE STEM WITH THE SCREW HOLE IS INSERTED) WOULD BE ROTATED 180* TO FIX THAT ISSUE...

180* from each other, allowing the retainer clip to slide in.
*OF COURSE, I AM AWARE OF THIS...

The inner spool can be installed in 2 directions, 180* from each other and the only difference is the hot and cold get reversed. There's a restriction in a water passage.
*OK....WHAT REFERENCE POINT WOULD I USE TO DIRECTLY INSTALL THAT "INNER VALVE STEM" INTO THE VALVE'S OUTER SLEEVE?...NOW I HAVE THE "OUTER SLEEVE" TO ROTATE 180* AS WELL AS THE INNER VALVE STEM!...UGH!

As long as the retainer clip can be fully installed, the outer sleeve doesn't matter as far as to needing to be rotated. With the handle removed, the inner core can be rotated 180* while still installed and this will only reverse the hot and cold.

As long as the retainer clip can be fully installed
IT CAN, NO SWEAT...

, the outer sleeve doesn't matter as far as to needing to be rotated.
HAVE SEEN A FEW VIDS ON THIS...

With the handle removed, the inner core can be rotated 180* while still installed and this will only reverse the hot and cold.
UH....HUMNN....ATTEMPTED BRIEFLY TO DO THIS EARLIER BUT, FIGURED I WOULD WAIT TILL TOMORROW...

WITH THE HANDLE REMOVED AND WATER OFF, I CAN ROTATE THIS (THE STEM) ALL DAY LONG...HOWEVER, LETS SAY I PULL THAT STEM OR, SIMPLY ROTATE IT.....WHEN I ATTEMPT TO APPLY THE HANDLE AND START SCREWING THE SHREW THROUGH THE HANDLE TO THE STEM, THE STEM WILL ALSO ROTATE...



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No, the stem will not turn once the handle is on and held in place because the flats on the stem engage the flats on the handle

No, the stem will not turn once the handle is on and held in place because the flats on the stem engage the flats on the handle

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05-16-2k26 Saturday, 6:50pm eastern time..

NOPE....(GRIN)....
Earlier, I screwed around with the stem and with the retainer out....The stem rotated around freely....
With the retainer installed, it will rather inhibit the stem from turning due to "drag"...


**Ya know, I just had a thought----the round handle (turns H2O on/off pull and, left/right water selection), the inside of the handle has what appears "stops" in it....There is also a flat side on the valve stem......IF-IF-IF ---GEEZ, the thought just dripped out of my head as I write this!

I have a funny feeling that I will be pulling BOTH the valve stem and "sleeve" out for most of tomorrow.....I think I will kill the cold water to the tub and work with the hot water...

re-thinking this a bit...you are right...My central ac is out, 90* in my house right now....Clear thinking is coming slow...grin.

With the handle off, rotate the center spool 180*(reversing hot/cold), reinstall the handle and see the water flow in the new hot position(handle turned to the right) is good and flow getting less as handle is turned towards cold(to the left). If this is what happens, the hot supply to the faucet body is good and the problem is in the new cartridge. If the flow to the new hot posiion(handle turned to the right) is bad, but gets better when handle is turned to new cold position(handle turned to the left), then there's a problem with the hot supply feed to the faucet body.

THANKS FOR THE REPLY!
**JUST A REMINDER, CAPS ARE *NOT* YELLING AND, ONLY SERVE TO SEGREGATE PORTIONS OF THE CONVERSATION**

With the handle off, rotate the center spool 180*(reversing hot/cold),
OK....

reinstall the handle and see the water flow in the new hot position(handle turned to the right)
"NEW HOT POSITION"...OK BUT AS YOU KNOW, HOT IS ON THE LEFT..

is good and flow getting less as handle is turned towards cold(to the left).
UH....THE VALVE IS PULL ON AND OFF, ROTATE TO LEFT FOR HOT AND ROTATE TO RIGHT FOR COLD...THERE IS A SLEEVE THAT GOES OVER ALL THE STEM, ETC THAT APPARENTLY WILL LET ME ONLY TURN VALVE L-R 180*...

If this is what happens, the hot supply to the faucet body is good and the problem is in the new cartridge.
I HAVE 2 NEW CARTRIDGES IN NEW PACKAGE...I WAS THINKING OF TRYING ONE OF THOSE...BUT, WILL SHUT OFF INDIVIDUALLY THE COLD AND HOT WATER TO THAT BATHROOM/TUB AND CHECK FLOW TO VALVE BEFORE I REPLACE THE CARTRIDGE.

If the flow to the new hot posiion(handle turned to the right) is bad, but gets better when handle is turned to new cold position(handle turned to the left), then there's a problem with the hot supply feed to the faucet body.
LAST I USED THAT TUB WAS YEARS AGO...I RE-PIPED MY HOUSE AFTER HAVING TWO UNDER-SLAB LEAKS AND ALL WORKED WILL AFTER THAT....

I WILL ATTEMPT TO DO ALL THIS TOMORROW OR, MONDAY AND REPORT STEPS AS I DO THEM...



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I wish to thank all that have participated in this thread and various posts...I do appreciate all the help I have received....

***AGAIN, THANKS TO ONE AND ALL***



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UPDATE----
05-21-2K26....1:24PM EASTERN TIME USA.

I rotated around the valve stem and valve "sleeve" and no difference....

I put in another NEW valve exactly , tinkered around and it works...

***WHY, I have no idea***...

There was no debris or anything...Well, it is all together and now I get to clean the entire bathroom..

I wish I knew what the problem was as this entire job should have been only an hour long...

**AGAIN,I WISH TO THANK ALL THAT HAD GIVEN ADVICE AND PARTICIPATED IN THIS THREAD



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