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 Diverter Valve on hot water inlet to shower?
Author: Hotdamn (CA)

I'm remodeling my bathroom and I want to waste some time and money on a dumb idea. I've no plumbing experience.

Diagram --> [imgur.com]

I want to install a diverter valve (pink circle on attached diagram) on the hot water inlet to a shower valve. The alternate outlet on the diverter valve will be plumbed to an outdoor spigot (top of diagram). The intention is to save the water that is wasted when you first turn the shower on, waiting for it to get hot. That is, before showering, open the diverter valve to the outdoor spigot (i.e., connecting my hot water heater to the outdoor spigot, the spigot is left open) and the first couple gallons of water is sent to the garden. Then I throw the diverter valve back to the original position (connecting hot water heater to shower valve) and open the shower valve to.. take a shower.

Questions are:

1) How dumb is this idea? Have others done this? Am I liable to break something? Or create some water-hammer nightmare, etc.?

2) Any recommendations for the type of diverter valve? It'd be used regularly (every time I shower) and would only need to be in the full-on or full-off position.

3) Instead of a manually switched diverter valve, could I use a thermostat-controlled diverter valve? That is, a valve that could automatically divert the water once it hits a certain temperature? Would the "thermostatic diverter valve" from Graff (model G-8052, link below) be an example of such a valve?

[www.graff-designs.com]

I'm grateful for any experience or thoughts you may have on this weirdness.



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 Re: Diverter Valve on hot water inlet to shower?
Author: packy (MA)

i've never heard of a thermostatic diverter that stops diverting on temperature rise..
if the water you want to divert is actually going to help the garden as much as you think it is then i might divert all the water going to the shower head rather than just the hot.

a recirculating pump that is wired to a switch in that bathroom will also do what you want.

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 Re: Diverter Valve on hot water inlet to shower?
Author: bernabeu (SC)

(3) -> NO (IMO do not try any 'automatic' valve)


Your basic idea actually makes sense.


Go to an actual plumbing supply house and enquire.

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 Re: Diverter Valve on hot water inlet to shower?
Author: bernabeu (SC)

packy,

in CA (and elswhere) water usage is becoming a MAJOR MAJOR issue



waste not, want not

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 Re: Diverter Valve on hot water inlet to shower?
Author: hj (AZ)

The diverter in the shower riser makes the most sense since the diverter would not always be under system pressure.

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 Re: Diverter Valve on hot water inlet to shower?
Author: bernabeu (SC)

nope

the OP probably runs the tub spout FIRST waiting for hot water THEN adjusts the temp THEN diverts to shower


i 'think' the OP is merely trying to water the 'garden' using the previously wasted water


his location on the hot BEFORE the mixing valve is perfect


HOWEVER


the actual PIPING to the exterior will be problematic as well as the matching of the 'trim'


the OP's image:


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 Re: Diverter Valve on hot water inlet to shower?
Author: Hotdamn (CA)

Excellent, thanks everyone! A follow up question:

New Diagram --> [imgur.com]

I'd do this to two showers (see picture above) and ideally the each shower could share a line to the outdoor spigot (they would Tee together). Does this added complication raise any immediate red flags? Should I add a one way valve (blue triangle in picture) to each line as a precaution or anything? For what its worth, I will hire a plumber to do this.

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 Re: Diverter Valve on hot water inlet to shower?
Author: bernabeu (SC)

check valves ('one way' valves are not necessary)

BUT

why not merely fill a 'rain barrel' then the outside spigot becomes unnecessary and the lines can be independant?

the rain barrel can have an overflow into the garden area and a spigot near, but not at, the bottom to allow clearance for filling watering cans

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 Re: Diverter Valve on hot water inlet to shower? clap
Author: Hotdamn (CA)

Ok, check valve. Yeah, likely I will just end up filling a rain barrel. Thanks again for your input.



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 Re: Diverter Valve on hot water inlet to shower?
Author: bernabeu (SC)

to clarify:

NEITHER check valves or 'one way' valves are necessary

a 'one way' valve IS a check valve



to further confuse the novice: there are unidirectional (usually globe pattern) valves which do NOT act as check valves but which should be installed as per the flow direction arrow stamped thereon

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 Re: Diverter Valve on hot water inlet to shower?
Author: NHSuper (NH)

If you really want to waste money, put in a new shower valve with multiple outlets. I installed one during a bathroom renovation with a lever that can send water to either a showerhead, handheld, or tub.

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 Re: Diverter Valve on hot water inlet to shower?
Author: bernabeu (SC)

Hotdamn,

Just came across this and thought of you:


Quote

12."Use a bucket to collect the water you'd typically waste while waiting for your shower or bath water to warm up and save it for watering plants."

"I live in California where we are going through probably the sixth or seventh drought in my lifetime with sometimes severe water use restrictions. I do this every single day. You don’t realize how much water you waste while waiting for it to warm up until you see it fill up a giant bucket in less than a minute."

—sidneykaler




DO'H

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