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 Venting shower
Author: Hillegas (WV)

I posted yesterday about a double sink vanity sharing drain/vent lines.

Today in the same bathroom I plumbed in the shower.



The 2" going up the wall will be my vent for this shower. The questions begin here..... directly under the center of this shower was a tji beam...... I know by cutting it I took out its strength but I was told to do so and that isnt of concern at the moment. So the pics below are how I went around the beam.




I was told at my last job that was inspected that he didn't care if I used a sanitary tee horizontally if it was being used for a dry vent. Others have told me to never use a sani-tee in this position. Because I didn't have a 2" wye and this isn't being inspected I used the sani-tee for the vent. I can't help but feel someone would have a problem with the 90* bends in the shower drain? I also couldn't come up with a decent clean out plug location so I didn't use one.

Here in the rest of it. The 2" from this shower dumps into a 3" with a wye. The other 3" piping with 2 45* bends is a toilet. The toilet is using the 2" vent from the shower.



This pic doesn't show it yet, but the 3" main line will have 2 more wye connections. One 1-1/2" line from bathroom sink from my post yesterday with its own 1-1/2" dry vent. And a 2" line coming from a sink on the other side of the wall that has its own 2" dry vent as well.

Some of these vents are 4/5/6ft from the toilet. I'm thinking there is more then adequate venting on this 3" line.

Functionality I feel the system will work. But once again guys have at my work and tell me what I did wrong!

Not trying there over post, but I hope others learn as well from my mistakes.



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 Re: Venting shower
Author: NoHub (MA)

Ouch....that I-Beam!

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 Re: Venting shower
Author: Hillegas (WV)

I know! But I was told for looks the drain had to go dead center of 40"x60" tile shower. Dumb luck just happen to be a tji smack center. Builder said cut the beam, and they would brace it or put in a column etc...

So unfortunately I drilled it, but I tried to keep it as tight as possible

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 Re: Venting shower
Author: packy (MA)

you must have a real easy plumbing inspector if he passes that.
the shower drain should run close and parallel to the block wall. the san tee could be 4 feet back and could be rolled at a 45 with a short piece of pipe with a 45 on it to bring the vent to vertical. then come out of the end of the san tee with a 45 looking at the shower trap. all 90's should be long sweep.
you also need a cleanout where the 2 inch ties into the 3 inch.
don't be insulted but i would not pass that job..

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 Re: Venting shower
Author: North Carolina Plumber (NC)

I'm convinced that your inspector either doesn't know the code or doesn't try to enforce it.

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 Re: Venting shower
Author: Hillegas (WV)

Well in this application there is no inspection. This county has no permits, no codes, no inspections...... the last job I posted a couple weeks ago was in a county that does inspections. That job was inspected, I went over the whole system and brought up concerns that were raised here and he was OK with everything.

I'm not offended by any remarks, I encourage them.

Eventually my violations will stick in and I get better each time. In this case I really messed up a few things. But I am learning. I've always done my own plumbing and considered myself to be pretty good.

I realize I am an amateur and have a long way to go to remember all the codes.

Can anyone recommend an illustrated book on codes and all this?

Things I need to learn from this:

Use long sweep 90* on everything except venting.
Sani-tees can be rolled on 45* just not facing straight up when horizontal
Seems using 45* bends in place of 90* bends is preferred?

I will add clean outs. Might make a couple changes as well



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 Re: Venting shower
Author: m & m (MD)

Just make sure that somebody reinforces that joist before you move on.

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 Re: Venting shower
Author: Hillegas (WV)

Yep! I raised the structural issue with the builder and suggested changing the dimensions of the shower to move the drain, or just move the drain itself. I was told to drill the beam and he would brace it with whatever it needed.

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 Re: Venting shower
Author: steve (CA)

"Use long sweep 90* on everything except venting."
- Vertical to horizontal drain- use long turn. Horizontal to vertical drain can be standard or long turn.

"Sani-tees can be rolled on 45* just not facing straight up when horizontal."
- Unless inspector or jurisdiction states otherwise, sanitary tees can be installed on their back pointing up or rolled at no more than 45* for a dry vent takeoff.


"Seems using 45* bends in place of 90* bends is preferred?"
- 2 45* bends provide a smoother transition than a standard 90*(just like a long turn 90* does).

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 Re: Venting shower
Author: North Carolina Plumber (NC)

In my area if the inspector saw that joist he would require a structional engineer sign off on it. Basically a piece of 3/4" plywood would need to be glued and screwed along the joist. They make offset shower drains, that might have helped. In any event I would have made the vertical offset using 2 45 bends, a horizontal offset before the trap is a no-no here.

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 Re: Venting shower
Author: hj (AZ)

Unless it is a preformed base with a fixed drain location, there was absolutely no reason that the drain HAD to go there and compromise the Joist.

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