I would like to change the bathroom supply valves into quarter turn valves with compression connections.

Three valves, 1 hot 1 cold for lav and 1 cold for toilet.

Problem is, I am a bit concerned about these older valves. If I loosen the valve but can't take out the ferrule what is plan B? I am wondering if the ferrule may have strangled the tubing and I am stuck using the old nut.

Last time this happened someone recommended that I use a sleeve puller. Does a sleeve puller remove the ferrule without deforming the tubing?

Leave the nut and ferrule in place and just replace the valve. You already know the ferrule is in place and tight, so don't mess with it. You don't have much pipe to work with so if you need it to shine like new, just get some brass-o and some clear acrylic sealer spray to apply afterwards.

I agree with KC; leave the ferrule and nut and match up a new shut off with the same threads, etc. I would apply a thin skiff of plumbers grease to the ferrule and threads before installing to help it seal and tighten easier.

I rarely worry about how "pretty" the copper stub is in bath lav cabinets. 99% of the time, the occupants cram so much toilet paper, cleaning supplies and what not, you can't even see the shut-offs buried behind it all.

change those plastic supplies as well.

so I can't change out the ugly plastic white escuchons too? Or have to use those hinged split in two ones?

Unless the tubing is already deformed, the sleeve puller will not cause any damage to it. That is why we use one.

with the amount of usable pipe remaining, I wouldn't risk the potential damage to the pipe over an ugly escutcheon. Personally, I have more issue with the yellow tile.. but that is just preference.

sum,

there are 'pretty' split ring escutcheons - try an actual plumbing supply



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the 'cheapos' are $1.86, the 'pretty' ones $6.85

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Sometimes just painting the plastic would make it look good. split eustachions have their problems. you would hardly notice it underneath your toilet tank.

There is NO "potential damage to the pipe", if you use a proper sleeve puller.

There is always the potential damage to anything that you apply a force to. The proper tool may reduce the risk, but there is still risk.

Maybe so, but I have NEVER had a tube damaged by removing the sleeve. In fact, sometimes it even "corrects" a damaged tube when it slides off.

the sleeve puller must have enough clearance in front of the ferrule right? If the pedestal base is in front of it, and space is tight, how would you do it?

They are not that long, so it should fit.