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newmex999 (NM)
Hello-just read about some of the catastrophic failures of the Watts stainless braided supply lines on water heaters. I know I have used these for toilets and sinks, although not on my water heater.
Should they all be replaced? To the Pros-what is your experience with them?
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bernabeu (SC)
if you are content with a vinyl hose covered with s/s braid - leave it alone
or
pipe it in solid as per good practice
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vic (CA)
Do you have a source of that information about failures?
Is there a recall on them?
What news source or public announcement did you find this at?
Thanks
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PlumerDan (CA)
In ca were strange. Flexs required for earthquake But strap it solid to the wall so it won't move?
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bernabeu (SC)
check out: [www.lemurzone.com]
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hj (AZ)
I have never used them, nor would I ever do so. I use corrugated copper or stainless steel connectors.
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Wheelchair (IL)
I haven't heard anything either...... except for some reports of the burst incidents on those flood control supplies.
Best Wishes
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m & m (MD)
I received a postcard notification this week from Watts in regard to a national recall on their flex connectors.
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hj (AZ)
I got one about a class action settlement, but threw it away because I never used them, and if I remember correctly, all the public gets is a $4.00 credit. The lawyers are the ones who got the money.
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bernabeu (SC)
food for thought:
has anyone seen a copper tube burst EXCEPT FOR A FREEZE ??
good or best practice would be to 'hard pipe' where possible
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hj (AZ)
I found the card for the settlement. It was only for closet supplies with the plastic acetyl nuts, (see the pictures at www.toiletconnector.com). The consumer gets $4.00 or up to 25% of damages if theirs has already failed. The lawyers get 5.75 million, plus $650.000.00 expenses, and up to $32,500.00 for the "class representatives", whoever they are.
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vic (CA)
Thanks hj. Quite interesting and seems so "typical" of many of the class action suits.
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hj (AZ)
Many? The only class action suit I have ever heard of where the consumer got anything from it was the polybutylene one, and even then a lot of people did not hear about it until it was too late for them, but even there, the lawyers made out like bandits.
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bernabeu (SC)
food for thought:
if us plumbers followed good/best practice (as we once actually did) there would not be any problems with plastic fittings bursting / leaking
then the lawyers WOULD starve
we, as a class, must stop feeding them and show a unified front, and more pride in our work
in my house, or on anything I personally installed / fixed there will be no pipe 'bursts' or catastrophic 'blow-outs' unless a metallic fitting or appliance fails due to an accidental fault (i do have the occasional small drip or 'weep' which 99.5% requires only an additional 1/2 turn to correct)
remember: if it COULD or should have been prevented - it is NOT an accident, but negligence
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hj (AZ)
quote; if it COULD or should have been prevented - it is NOT an accident, but negligence
Or "value engineering" to cut the cost of the installation.
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bernabeu (SC)
'value engineering', by definition, includes the concept of 'calculated risk' and loss:benefit ratio
when it fails it is NOT an accident because it WAS preventable by using better (marginally more expensive) material
a flex w/c connection is about $5 and takes about 2 minutes to install ~ should it fail maybe $5000 in damages possible
a rigid w/c connection is about $9 and takes about 6 minutes to install ~ I personally have never heard of a 'speedy' blowing out
ps. one would also need a pro45B to take full advantage of metallic connection ~ w/c install would be about $15 more in parts and would still fall within the 40-50 minute allotment for time
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aristars (NY)
I used to have watts connectors for the hot water heater, last july, the one connector for the hot water developed heavy leakage, the water was just pouring out for ,maybe, the whole night when it was discovered in the morning; about 3 months later the same happened to the cold water connector. both have been replaced with copper.The company's name that did the replacement and the two receipts are avialble in support to that post.
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