Welcome to Plbg.com
Thank you to all the plumbing professionals who offer their advice and expertise

Over 698,000 strictly plumbing related posts

Plumbing education, information, advice, help and suggestions are provided by some of the most experienced plumbers who wish to "give back" to society. Since 1996 we have been the best online (strictly) PLUMBING advice site. If you have questions about plumbing, toilets, sinks, faucets, drains, sewers, water filters, venting, water heating, showers, pumps, and other strictly PLUMBING related issues then you've come to the right place. Please refrain from asking or discussing legal questions, or pricing, or where to purchase products, or any business issues, or for contractor referrals, or any other questions or issues not specifically related to plumbing. Keep all posts positive and absolutely no advertising. Our site is completely free, without ads or pop-ups and we don't tract you. We absolutely do not sell your personal information. We are made possible by:  

Post New
Search
Log In
How to Show Images
Newest Subjects
 Copper tubing and condensation
Author: ykarodeh (MD)

I have an existing gas line from inside my basement to a gas grill outside the house. It's about a 10 foot under ground run. My question is concerning the underground routing and water condensation problem. few times a year i have to disconnect both ends of my gas line and blow air from the end that connects to the gas grill and collect about 5 to 10 cc water from where the line is connected to the black pipe in my basement. Can this be a water condensation issue or something totally different. Please do advise.

Post Reply

 Re: Copper tubing and condensation
Author: packy (MA)

in the old days we had to put drip tees at the base of every gas riser. they were meant to catch any condensation.
note the drip tee in this application..

Post Reply

 Re: Copper tubing and condensation
Author: m & m (MD)

Yes, it is condensation from the warmth of the tube leaving the basement and then condensing when it contacts the cold ground.

Post Reply

 Re: Copper tubing and condensation
Author: hj (AZ)

In the worst case, you could have a rusted pipe, especially since it is black steel, and ground water can enter the pipe because the gas pressure is too low to keep it out.

Post Reply

 Re: Copper tubing and condensation
Author: ykarodeh (MD)

Thank you kindly for your succinct responses. Please tell me how do you put a drip tees at the base of a copper pipe that is connected to the black pipe, I can see how this can be done when black pipes are used through out, as its the case with our gas fire place. Please note there is shut off valve inside the basement where black pipe is connected to the copper pipe. By the way there are NO rusting issues in any of the pipes, good piont, that is good to know. Please advise.

Post Reply

 Re: Copper tubing and condensation
Author: packy (MA)

the drip tee will do no good unless the pipe is pitched toward it.
can you post a picture of the connection you are describing?

Post Reply

 Re: Copper tubing and condensation
Author: ykarodeh (MD)

Post Reply

 Re: Copper tubing and condensation
Author: bernabeu (SC)

you ALREADY have the suggested 'drip tee'

if you keep the valve closed it will serve no purpose

if the copper is pitched away from it - no purpose

there is no easy solution to your issue EXCEPT proper reinstallation 'from scratch' as you should NOT be building condensate inside a gas line w/o working provisions for same

the gas piping/tubing should pitch downwards to the 'drip leg'

==============================================

"Measure Twice & Cut Once" - Retired U.A. Local 1 & 638



Edited 1 times.

Post Reply

 Re: Copper tubing and condensation
Author: ykarodeh (MD)

Thank you! You have raised excellent points. I will modify and reinstall so that the copper pipe is pitched downwards to the drip leg.

However, as shown in the picture, the copper pipe exits the basement very close to the ceiling and it comes out on the other side of the wall, 2-3 inches above the flagstone patio, (basement ceiling and outside patio are almost on the same level) and then it drops 18 inches (required by law) and gets buried underground and it runs for about 10 feet before it comes and connects to the post mounted natural gas grill.

Wouldn’t this downwards and upwards pitches create a flat “U” shape loop, a potential cause for condensation? Shouldn’t I be worried about that? Where would water from condensation go?

Post Reply

 Re: Copper tubing and condensation
Author: bernabeu (SC)

yes - you have created a running u trap

any condensation formed will (like any water) run downhill - any condensate trap MUST be at the low point to be effective

sounds like you have no ready solution except blowing out the line periodically

==============================================

"Measure Twice & Cut Once" - Retired U.A. Local 1 & 638

Post Reply

 Re: Copper tubing and condensation
Author: ykarodeh (MD)

Thank you for your time and attention. We purchased the house 22 years ago and I don’t know who did the original work.

Post Reply





Please note:
  • Inappropriate messages or blatant advertising will be deleted. We cannot be held responsible for bad or inadequate advice.
  • Plbg.com has no control over external content that may be linked to from messages posted here. Please follow external links with caution.
  • Plbg.com is strictly for the exchange of plumbing related advice and NOT to ask about pricing/costs, nor where to find a product (try Google), nor how to operate or promote a business, nor for ethics (law) and the like questions.
  • Plbg.com is also not a place to ask radiant heating (try HeatingHelp.com), electrical or even general construction type questions. We are exclusively for plumbing questions.

Search for plumbing parts on our sponsor's site:




Special thanks to our sponsor:
PlumbingSupply.com


Copyright© 2024 Plbg.com. All Rights Reserved.