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jimfale2 (CT)
I just had a new garbage disposal installed by a "professional" this weekend. It was a difficult job on account of the space and location of the sink drain in reference to the wall drain pipe. The garbage disposal is installed and now the sink will not drain, and when the garbage disposal is turned on the water slowly is forced out, however the pipes just past the trap and along toward the wall pipe leaks. It must be from the water not flowing properly and being forced backwards I imagine. Any suggestions?
Thank you.
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jimfale2 (CT)
I tried multiple times, it didn't seem to work. Clearly no attach file button.
I will work on getting a photo up. I have it in a folder on my PC.
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Firemantom123 (MO)
You might want to try a free photobucket account. You can upload pics, then if you click 'edit', there wil be a few choices. You then click the 'get link' button. You should be able to copy the URL then just paste it in the text of your post and the pic will showup in your post from that link. You can upload any pic, including pics you have edited. Hope this helps.
(Dont delete it from photobucket. It wil break the link and the pic will delete)
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Wheelchair (IL)
I hate when that happens. Have you considered contacting the "Professional" who did the job and asking/demanding that they return and make those issues "Right"
What kind of Professional would leave a job unfinished or uncompleted, much less.... defective.
Best Wishes
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jimfale2 (CT)
one pic posted. let me know if you need more.
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hj (AZ)
From the pictures it does not appear that he did ANYTHING to cause the drain not to work, unless it was already plugged before he started. When I install a disposer, (not a Disposal), I always test it with a sink full of water to make sure it drains and does NOT leak.
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PlumerDan (CA)
First ,did he snake the drain before install...sometimes just the vibrations from the disposal can shake crap loose in the drain line causing a stoppage . next have them high loop that d/w drain..the disposal forcineing food waste back down line.this have him fix his leaks...all for free IMHO..good luck
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Plumberpalmer (MA)
From the looks of the photos the outlet of the trap is higher than the outlet of the disposal. If that is the case the deep seal trap the professional you hired installed needs to be repiped. It is very possible a disposal is not going to be able to be installed properly with out lowering the drain.
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sozoal (CA)
as stated, outlet in wall is too high for disposal outlet......the whole, deep trap, is holding water above disposal outlet and also slowing drain and leaking.....tee in wall needs to be lowered, or switch to regular strainer.......and yes loop dishwasher drain tube 'high' under counter before connecting to disposal/drain.
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jimfale2 (CT)
the plumber mentioned before doing the work that the outlet pipe in wall was higher than the disposal pipe and that it might be an issue. I guess that is the problem I am having. I did not have an issue with my last "disposer". However, I think the new sink may be a tad deeper than the last. How hard will it be to lower the pipe in the wall? That sounds like a big job.
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Plumberpalmer (MA)
It all depends on if there is a window over the sink and the type of pipe that is on the wall.
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jimfale2 (CT)
I also should have noted that the sink drain is located in the rear of the sink, which severely minimized the room to work behind the disposal. Approximately 5" of space between disposal rear casing and the wall. See sink pic.
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jimfale2 (CT)
Window is over the sink and the pipe appears to be of the cast iron variety.
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caja715 (Non-US)
is the sink new? might I suggest it may be easier to mount the sink above.. on that beautiful counter than below, kinda sucks , but I suspect that there wont be enough pipe to change the grade that 1 inch
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packy (MA)
the disposer will never drain properly until someone lowers the pipe inside the wall.
more than likely that will be a big job.
if you have a basement below the pipe in the wall can be abandoned and a new pipe run down thru the floor, using an AAV to vent it.
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hj (AZ)
That would not stop the disposer from draining, but might keep water in the bottom of all the time.
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hj (AZ)
quote; How hard will it be to lower the pipe in the wall? That sounds like a big job.
It can range from a "big" job to a kitchen cabinet remodel, depending on how the pipe is installed in the wall.
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hj (AZ)
quote; Window is over the sink and the pipe appears to be of the cast iron variety.
That has little to do with HOW the pipe is arranged in the wall, it just means it COULD be either the "easy", (a relative term), or the very difficult way. The pipe you can see is steel, not cast iron.
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hj (AZ)
That is immaterial to the problem with the piping.
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jimfale2 (CT)
Packy, yes there is a basement below the sink, however it is a bit cramped. I will attach a photo. Thank you very much for all your assistance.
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jimfale2 (CT)
I added another photo from basement below sink.
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jimfale2 (CT)
What is immaterial with the problem with the piping?
Thank you.
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HelpMePlumb (FL)
You should try a different strainer basket (one that is less deep) to see if that gets you the clearance you need to let the disposal empty propertly before you do something more drastic or involved. Also snake the drain line if its plugged. And of course, you need a high loop in the dishwasher drainage line.
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jimfale2 (CT)
That is a solid idea. Thank you. Do they make "shallow" garbage disposer baskets? I have a insinkerator badger 100, as I needed a small one for the tight space.
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bernabeu (SC)
you have three choices:
1) lower plumbing in wall
2) change sink to a top rim mount - may or may not give sufficient elevation - or replace sink with shallower model
3) eliminate disposer
the flange is standard
that's all folks
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"Measure Twice & Cut Once" - Retired U.A. Local 1 & 638
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HelpMePlumb (FL)
Actually no - the strainer basket is not "standard". Many new sink and faucet combinations (like the one I have in my summer house) have a deep strainer basket that I've seen eliminated because of this problem right here.
OPtion 4
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jimfale2 (CT)
It is a standard basket I am most definitely sure it measures approximately 1 5/8 inches deep.
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jimfale2 (CT)
Thank you for the 3 options. However 1 and 3 seem like the way I would go. The granite is already cut and I like the bottom mount. Bummer of a miscalculation. The plumber said there may be an issue, but thought he could make it work. Can I connect plastic piping to steel piping if I go with door number 1?
Thanks.
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hj (AZ)
The amount of space behind or around the disposer is immaterial to the problem with the height of the drain or how it drains.
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hj (AZ)
He has a DISPOSER, so there is NO "shorter" strainer which will work with it.
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hj (AZ)
quote; Do they make "shallow" garbage disposer baskets? I have a insinkerator badger 100,
1. NO!
2. The model is also immaterial because the sink to drain distance is a constant.
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hj (AZ)
quote; Can I connect plastic piping to steel piping if I go with door number 1?
Yes, but I am not sure that YOU should be the one making the revision.
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HelpMePlumb (FL)
That's right - I confused the non-disposer side with the disposer side. My bad - I am not the most interesting man in the world.
Seems the best option is to open up that wall and lower the outlet in the wall.
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jimfale2 (CT)
Drop the pipe it is I guess or go disposal-less. Or maybe jus lower the foundation, on second thought that wont work.
Back to washing dishes in the basement.
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steve (CA)
The drain pipe comes straight up from the basement. It's not a very big job, to open the wall behind the disposer and lower the tee. You could also rotate the tee 90* from the direction it is now and come out the wall to the side of the disposer, instead of behind it.
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jimfale2 (CT)
Would one replace the verticle pipe with a shorter one or cut the existing pipe down to size? I would imagine it would be easier to replace the pipe, no? Can you connect plastic pipe to steel pipe?
Thanks.
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steve (CA)
There should be a vent pipe coming off the top of the existing tee. I would probably cut the existing tee out and install a plastic one at a lower elevation. Depending on what the interior of the existing pipe, below the tee, looks like after it was cut, would determine if I would replace more of the downstream piping. Unless local code states otherwise, you can insert a plastic section in the piping.
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hj (AZ)
quote; Or maybe jus lower the foundation,
You would have to RAISE the foundation, but not the pipes.
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bernabeu (SC)
go ahead, HJ, explain the concept of invert elevation
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