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bnplmb (NY)
What is the function of the vent on sewage pits? Is it to prevent vacuum when the pump pumps or is it to get rid of sewage smells/gases? I was by house today (social visit) with an AAV being used to vent. Good,bad, adequate?
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North Carolina Plumber (NC)
Its to allow positive pressure to escape as water is drained into the pit. An AAV will serve no purpose at all on a pit, as well as being a code violation.
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bnplmb (NY)
Got it. Thanks! Do sewer pit vents have same guidelines as other plumbing vents? Is venting out the side of the house an option?
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North Carolina Plumber (NC)
It depends on the plumbing inspector in your local jurisdiction, but usually you can go outside the house then up thru the roof. 10" minimum above the roof , 10' laterally from any opening windows, etc.
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bnplmb (NY)
No inspections going on here. Friend is having basement finished. I am trying to insure that things are functional. GC is hiring shoemakers and tailors to do his plumbing etc..
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packy
have the GC do it right. remodeling of houses need permits or this will all come back to bite the owner in the backside when the property is sold.
bank hired home inspectors want to see permits for any changes they find or no mortgage is given..
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bnplmb (NY)
Never going to happen. I have no control over the situation. The only thing I can do is to have the homeowner withhold payment until the systems are made functional.
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hj
quote; withhold payment until the systems are made functional.
With an AAV on the pit, it will NEVER be functional, unless it is not air tight so the air can escape somehow when water enters the pit.
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Wheelchair
Have the homeowner call for an inspection before making any kind of payments.. or withholding monies. This way the homeowner will have a leg to stand on, in the event the GC has done wrong.
The homeowner is exposing himself and his family to dangerous health conditions, for a price. Once the GC is paid and gone, the homeowner has little recourse.
Best Wishes
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bnplmb (NY)
No way they are calling a city inspector. I am the de facto inspector.
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johnjh2o (FL)
With no permits or inspections I hope your friend doesn't plan on ever selling. A home inspector check to see if permits were taken out and if not good luck getting a mortgage.
John
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chadschloss78 (MI)
" if not good luck getting a mortgage."
yeah i see that happening every day... Right...
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johnjh2o (FL)
To get a mortgage you must get insurance and when they become aware there has not been a permit or inspection on work done they will not give you the insurance. SO no mortgage. No mortgage no sale.
John
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chadschloss78 (MI)
like I said before.. Right... Not buying it for a minute. I've bought and sold a few houses and rent another out. Never had any issues with doing my own work unpermitted. I did disclose what I had and had not had permitted but never have I had any issues and I've never heard of anyone being denied insurance because of non permitted work. They all want your money. Meybe some insurance companies will charge higer rates for such work, but not around my neck of the woods.
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johnjh2o (FL)
Down here you can't even get insurance if the house has aluminum wire. I to buy repair and rent homes. If one of your tenants ever gets hurt because of faulty workmanship in one of you rentals you could be in for some serious problems. I just love people like you that think your above the law. Good luck buddy I'm setting here laughing knowing some day you will pay for your ignorance.
John
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chadschloss78 (MI)
if you only knew how I do my own work, lol. The electrical that I had inspected puts contractors work to shame from what the inspector said, lol. I'm not your average harry homeowner. I care about what I do and everything is code +
I have a realtor friend in florida. I will quiz him on what you say. He's over in Lithia, Fl. anywhere close to you? I'll let you know what he says about people getting turned down for loans due to unpermitted work 
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hj
quote: No way they are calling a city inspector
I guess that means they got a super cheap price and are willing to suffer from any deficiencies just to save money. In that case, they are getting what the contractor bid and what they paid for.
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hj
quote; I'll let you know what he says about people getting turned down for loans due to unpermitted work
You will probably have to wait until he stops laughing before he will be able to answer you. How many of those "flipped houses" which were on TV for a while do you thing actually had permits and inspections? All they wanted to do was get the job done as fast and cheap as possible, regardles of how "good" they were done.
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SwimRunPlumb (MI)
I am not saying it is right, but my estimate on alterations and remodels that actually get permits would be no higher than 20%
I agree that there are quite a few terrible hacks out there. Some cheap-skate general contractors will try and do as much as possible to put as much money into their own pockets as possible. This includes plumbing, hvac and electrical. I recently saw one builder put two wyes onto an upstairs heat run while finishing a basement. This is when homeowners get taken advantage of.
On the flipside, there are many jobs that are done completely proper by professionals that are not permitted either.
I have NEVER heard of any mortgage being denied because of this. I HAVE seen and heard of homeowners getting completely ripped off for a hack job though because no inspections were done.
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johnjh2o (FL)
What I'm waiting to here is the reason you don't take out permits. If you work is up to code then why not do the right thing.
John
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chadschloss78 (MI)
because it is nothing but a racket to extort money from people who actually know what they are doing. It's not worth my time or money to deal with the hassle. It took me 2.5 years to renovate my rental house. i would not have wanted to keep renewing the permits and paying for inspections, meeting their timelines and deadlines when i couldn't meet them. They have fired all the good inspectors in our area and have consolidated to one person does it all. If I'm going to pay for someone to check over something, they better know more than me, and they should specialize in a trade. worst case is I pay a couple hundred dollar fine when i sell. I'd rather have that than deal with possibly thousands wasted. I got a permit for my electrical service upgrade, paid to have that installed, but I wired the entire house and garage with it's own subpanel. all my own plumbing. didn't get that inspected. I came here and to the other forms for help and guidance. i did have a furnace put in and had that inspected, but i installed my own gas water heater, no inspection, no leaks.
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packy
john wrote.. "If you work is up to code then why not do the right thing."
around here it is the cost of the permits that drives us underground..
i did a 2 bathroom remodel last month. there was an addition being built onto the back of the house at a cost of 180,000 dollars. the permit fee is 3% of the cost of the job. mind you the bathrooms were not in the addition. so the plumbing permit to remodel 2 bathrooms was 540 dollars plus 50 dollars for a mechanical permit because there was heat going into the addition.
my record for a simple reidential permit was for a whole house remodel and addition valued at 550,000 dollars. i paid 1650 dollars for plumbing 3 baths, kitchen and laundry plus 50 for a mechanical permit for baseboard heat. by the way the electrical permit is the same 3% of the total cost of the job. so although the work cost 550,000 the total cost of plumbing, electrical, mechanical and building permits was around 5,000. not bad for a few hours of inspecting. i'd say the city made a pretty penny.
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hj
qquote; i'd say the city made a pretty penny.
And they keep on making it because the additions increased your tax bill.
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