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jmlswa (WA)
Hot water line in crawl space split. 1/2" pipe, split in the middle of the pipe, about an inch long. Not at a join of any kind... just in the middle of the pipe and running with the pipe. Split is about an inch long.
Due to location of the failure and the insulation above it, we didn't discover the issue for roughly a week. When it was discovered, water was at a full spray from the split and all the floor joists were dripping.
I had a plumber fix the pipe and he said that this material "is garbage" and he could all but guarantee he'd be back within a year for the same failure somewhere else in the house. He said that this was "flow guard", though I saw no text indicating that. There was "CPVC" on the pipe, so I know that's the material.
I talked with another plumber that has been in the industry for over 22 years. He's a longtime friend of my mother in law, and we all trust him and his opinion. I don't feel that he'd be sending me bad news to raise his business as the first plumber *might* have been doing (not saying he was, just stating that it's possible since I clearly know next to nothing about this). His reaction when I told him I had CPVC was, "Oh, I'm sorry!" and he said the same as the first guy, that I'll have these issues again in the near future, without a doubt.
I've done some research and see that there have been no class action lawsuits, and that this material has been used for a few decades now, so it seems fairly well-known.
What are the general thoughts on this? Do I need to consider re-piping my home? Am I fine and just had a bad pipe? My house is five years old and one year OUT of warranty from the building. If this was a manufacturing defect when they made the pipe, would I need to be concerned since the entire neighborhood was built at the same time and therefore very likely that all the pipe likely came from the same plant and batch?
Obviously, I'm quite concerned! I'd appreciate your comments and thoughts.
EDIT: Thank you, Paul48. That does make sense. It is exposed, in that there are two vents that lead to the outside world. We live in the Seattle area, so it doesn't get very cold here in the winters, though we have had freezing a couple of times. The pipe that broke was fairly centrally located in the crawl space, right near the 'ceiling' and also covered by the insulation. And since it was hot water, I doubt that it actually froze. Very likely affected by the temperature change, I have no doubt.
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Paul48 (CT)
Most likely that pipe froze at some point.Plumbing, no matter what kind in unheated spaces is dangerous.I believe CPVC is an inferior material to use for residential plumbing, but that's just my opinion as a homeowner with a mechanical background.I'd look at the plumbing in the crawl-space, and how it's protected from the elements. Even if you tore it out and re-piped with copper, it could still split if it freezes.
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waukeshaplumbing (WI)
splits are typically frozen pipes...the hot typically freezes before the cold line..
cpvc is used heavily in my area for new home construction, but 100% for low end houses. i used to use it and did it mainly because i could make my work look professional and straight...somewhat comparable to copper
i switched to Pex because i saw how brittle cpvc becomes with age. Flowguard gold is the top of the line cpvc. Try to cut into a 5-10 year old piece of Cpvc...it doesnt cut nicely, it snaps and sometimes shatters....as long as you dont touch it im sure its just fine since its in 100's of thousands of homes if not millions
Pex looks like crap, but its the better low price alternative....there's only 1 reason to use cpvc...its cheap
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packy
i just did a small repair on my athletic director's motor home. she has CPVC pipe in it. the home is a 95 so it is 17 years old. when i went to cut the CPVC with my ratchet cutters, it was brittle and i had to make a few cuts before i got a straight cut.
thankfully, we don't see any CPVC around here.
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hj
CPVC has been used in homes for decades, and it is the material of choice for home fire sprinkler systems, so it is NOT an "inferior" product. There is no reason to assume you will EVER have another split, but if you do, then would be the time to consider whether you want to repipe or not. You should understand, however, that many of the repipers DO use CPVC for their installations.
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