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Author:
objectman9 (VA)
If there a broken drain pipe in a partial cement slab under house, is there any harm in trying to fix it by sealing the opening where the pipe enters the slab (which is also the opening through which the water is leaking)?
The house is on a crawl space but also has one small concrete slab (from a sunken laundry room floor) through which the kitchen drain pipe passes (you can see where the pipe enters the slab on one side and exists the slab on the other). Water sometimes leaks out of the hole in the cement where the pipe enters the slab (which is in the crawl space under the house). My thought is to use a liquid rubber spray such as Flex Seal to seal up the opening where the pipe enters the slab so that the water has no option but to drain through the pipe (because it will no longer be able to escape through the space between the outside of the pipe in the cement hole through which the pipe runs).
Because the common approach to repair seems to involve breaking the concrete slab, I don't see how I could end up in a worse situation by first trying my liquid rubber approach.
1. Does this repair approach have any merit?
2. Can I do more harm than good with this attempted repair?
Thanks in advance for any thoughts.
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Author:
hj
water is "lazy", so it leaks out of the easiest spot it can find, which is that opening around the pipe. If you seal that opening then the water will still leak out of the pipe, but will just have to find another outlet, and it may be to seep into the ground where you cannot see it, but it will STILL be leaking. Repairing or replacing the pipe is the only way to stop the leak.
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Author:
objectman9 (VA)
Thank you for the reply. I am not trying to argue myself into being right, but I have some addition information and questions that I think might be relevant.
If other pipes tie into the broken pipe inside the slab then I see that the water would have other places through which to pass and my problem is not solved. But if this happens to be a lone single pipe that passes through the slab, then isn't this essentially a pipe that passes through one long "hole" in the cement such that if the two ends of that cement hole were plugged (with the liquid rubber) then the water would not have any other opening through which to escape except through the pipe itself? Admittedly, I do not know if other pipes tie into this one in the slab.
Also, I should mention that the water leaks from where the pipe enters the slab (the higher elevation side) but does not leak from where the pipe exits the slab (the lower elevation slide).
The idea for using liquid rubber came to me because the leak resolved itself at one point for about 1 year and just recently restarted (no water and no smell for that 1 year period). I surmised that the space between the pipe and the cement must have become gunked up from the kitchen waste water and sealed itself during a several month period when much less water was being used in the kitchen. I thought that if it naturally sealed itself up once then I could fix it by artificially sealing it up myself with something more durable.
Acknowledging that the liquid rubber approach might not solve the problem, do you think that attempting it could cause more harm in the long run?
Thanks again for any thoughts.
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Author:
jimmy-o (CA)
If there is water under the slab, and the water table is higher than the slab, it will try to find its way up. If you seal the pipe, it will blow out the seal or look for another hole.
We need to have a better explanation of where the water is coming FROM and where it is going TO
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Author:
objectman9 (VA)
The water is in the crawl space next to the slab, not under the slab. The house has a crawl space with one small cement slab for a sunken laundry room. The slab is probably only about 10 X 15 feet.
The leaking pipe is the drain pipe that starts in/under the kitchen, runs through the crawl space, enters into the side of the slab, exits the other side of the slab back into the crawl space, and then continues through the crawl space (and I assume eventually goes underground to tie into the city sewer). The water comes out of the opening where the pipe enters the side of the slab (which is in the crawl space). All of the piping in the house is accessible in the crawl space except for where this pipe (and perhaps a few others) run through a small cement slab; unfortunately this is exactly where the pipe is leaking. I do not know if any other pipes tie into this one inside of the slab.
The water table is lower than the slab.
Please let me know if any more information would be useful.
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Author:
hj
"The other places from which to pass" are NOT other pipes. They are cracks or soft areas in the ground. IF it were easier for the water to flow in the pipes, then it would NOT be coming out of the hole in the wall. You CANNOT stop the leak by filling the hole around the pipe. All you will do is keep YOU from seeing the leak.
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Author:
objectman9 (VA)
Thank you Hj and jimmy-o for the replies and education. I have a plumber scheduled to examine and provide a repair estimate tomorrow.
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Author:
cheleway (TX)
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