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 flushometer problem(s)
Author: sgull (AK)

At my workplace installed on the toilet is a Royal Flushometer that all of a sudden is continuing to allow water to run after flushing, not much but just enough to be heard and to keep constant heavy condensation on the chrome. When I try to close the control stop all the way, I turn it as far as it'll go but still the water doesn't cut off all the way, water keeps running, can hear it through the assembly and also gurgling/trickling sound coming from the bowl. Also, perhaps a separate problem, but water is dripping/leaking from the handle assembly where the round ball end of the handle inserts. Need advice on fix please. thanks



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 Re: flushometer problem(s)
Author: joe plumber (NE)

Rebuild the flushometer with a Sloan retro kit and replace the handle.Make sure the water shuts off before rebuilding .Might as well replace the vacuum breaker too.



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 Re: flushometer problem(s)
Author: sgull (AK)

It's a fairly old Sloan Flushometer Royal, not sure whether Royal II or what series or whatever. The idea of rebuilding it with new parts seems reasonable, but not sure about the idea of a retrofit kit as I don't want/need the automatic sensor business nor am concerned about saving water. I could post a pic of the Flushometer, maybe that could help someone to identify for me specifically what model it is so I can maybe get on the right track acquiring the repair/rebuilding parts I need? thanks



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 Re: flushometer problem(s)
Author: Wheelchair (IL)

Much depends on whether you have an angle stop or straight stop and if it has a wheel handle or screw driver. Rebuild kits for the stops are available, even for the obsolete stops. Once repaired, you can properly shut off the water to properly service the closet valve. Does your flushometer has a ground joint tailpiece or an adjustable tailpiece? (H-553) is the O ring on the adjustable tail piece. A-36 internal kit will give you ample flush per cycle. A B-50 handle repair kit will clean up the leak in the handle. And as suggested a V5551 vb kit.

To finish the job you might think about the toilet spud gasket, and slip joint gasket with friction ring, at the base where the flush valve enters the toilet.

All said its about a one hour job.
Best Wishes

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 Re: flushometer problem(s)
Author: hj (AZ)

The rubber seal in the shut off valve has disintegrated and a piece of it is stuck on the seat of the flushometer. Get a shutoff valve repair cartridge, diaphragm, and disc, then repair the valve.

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 Re: flushometer problem(s)
Author: hj (AZ)

We do not need a picture of the Royal valve, but one of the shut off valve might tell us if it uses the modern repair part.



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 Re: flushometer problem(s)
Author: hj (AZ)

quote; All said its about a one hour job.

For a PLUMBER, for a DIYer, it could be an all day job.

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 Re: flushometer problem(s)
Author: Wheelchair (IL)

I know many repair people in schools, business and hospitals that work on flushvalves daily that agree its about a one hour job. For a novice, yes it could take much longer.
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 Re: flushometer problem(s)
Author: sgull (AK)

Here’s a picture of the stop valve. [i207.photobucket.com] It says on it 600 series stop valve. I assume by looking at it that it’s a straight stop rather than an angle stop? Can we identify with this info and picture whether it needs the "modern" repair part?
The tailpiece is the adjustable type.
Also, the toilet is a wall mount model, if that would make any difference in making sure to get correct repair/replacement parts.

Also, I was looking at this [www.sloanvalve.com] specifically the two listed as item(s) in number 17, and 8. Would those be the proper parts, if I could get them?



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 Re: flushometer problem(s)
Author: hj (AZ)

The stop uses a 1" repair kit/insert. You also need a diapragm and seat disc, NOT the entire internal assembly. You can also replace the vacuum breaker and handle inserts. Although removing the valve to "fix" the vacuum breaker can cause other problems.



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 Re: flushometer problem(s)
Author: sgull (AK)

I went ahead and picked up some repair items from the local plumbing supply: [i207.photobucket.com]
The bigger box there is a A-1102-A Royal flushometer “performance kit” which includes a dual filtered diaphragm drop-in kit, a triple seal handle repair kit, a high back pressure vacuum repair kit, and a replacement tailpiece O ring. It says on the box 3.5 gpf but I don’t really know the flow rate I need.
The smaller box there is a A-36-A water closet flushometer repair kit with traditional segment diaphragm drop-in kit. But it says 4.5 gpf on it.
One plastic bag there is a B-50-A handle repair kit for a B-32-A handle assembly. Not really sure what handle assembly I have, though.
And in the other bag is a 1” Sloan H-541 control stop repair kit. I’m assuming it’s the right repair parts I need for the stop, although as shown in this picture [i207.photobucket.com]
the new screw stop adjustment is different looking than the old (style shown next to the bag), with the silver (and wider head) screw instead of brass (and smaller head) screw. So I’m a little uncertain about that as well.
Comments please on whether I've got what I need for sure here. I'm sorta hoping I can just use all the parts I got except the "performance kit" which maybe I can just return for now, since it was kinda spendy.

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 Re: flushometer problem(s)
Author: Wheelchair (IL)

All the parts you purchased will work well. If you are in need of performance on an old value use the performance kit. Otherwise the A 36 kit will give you enough water along with the B-50 handle kit. The H 541 ASD is for a screw driver stop and the 541 AWH is for the wheel handle.
Best Wishes



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 Re: flushometer problem(s)
Author: sgull (AK)

As shown here, [www.sloanvalve.com] item number 17, the part H-541-ASD is the control stop repair kit for 1" H-600 screwdriver control stops. As I've mentioned, my (1";) stop has "600 series" stamped on it so if 600 series means the same thing as H-600 then I suppose it would seem certain I have the correct repair kit with the H-541. But the uncertain thing to me about it, to me at this point, is in regard to the difference in appearance of the stop screw with the repair kit in the bag (silver and larger head screw) as compared with that of my existing stop with the smaller size brass screw. Adding to uncertainty is Wheelchair comment "thinking you need the H540 which has been replaced by the H740 Kit".



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 Re: flushometer problem(s)
Author: Wheelchair (IL)

I've was contacted by Sloan after they reviewed the pictures and they state that you have received the correct kit to repair your stop. If you haven't changed it yet... go for it.
Thanks for your patience.
Best Wishes



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 Re: flushometer problem(s)
Author: sgull (AK)

Okay, thanks Wheelchair for checking into all that, and hj ("The rubber seal in the shut off valve has disintegrated";). Here's a picture of what I found, and replaced: [i207.photobucket.com]
Not only did it fix the leaking stop, but after changing out the stop the handle stopped leaking too, and all works fine again!
Looks like a minimal-cost fix would've been for me to just replace the broken stop seat (rubber seal) with a new one, Sloan part H-584 (bottom of page 89 here: [www.sloanvalve.com]
Again, thanks.



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 Re: flushometer problem(s)
Author: Wheelchair (IL)

Glad to read the repair worked and you stopped the leak. By rebuilding the value with new parts you have extended its working life and may not have to work on it for several years. You did well.

Best Wishes

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 Re: flushometer problem(s)
Author: hj (AZ)

Well, there was probably a part of the seal stuck in the valve, but if it stopped leaking through, it probably dislodged and flushed into the toilet.

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 Re: flushometer problem(s)
Author: bernabeu (SC)

the handle seal and 'stem' are on the normally dry side of the flushometer valve (wet only while actually flushing)

they are still leaking SLIGHTLY but the normal flush is too short for the water to 'appear'

handle seal can be replaced w/o shutdown ... if done carefully so as not to 'trip the valve'

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 Re: flushometer problem(s)
Author: sgull (AK)

Thanks bernabeu for that info. I had actually been wondering about that. Now I know. :thumb:

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 Re: flushometer problem(s)
Author: PlumerDan (CA)

glad you had such good luck repairing your valve. relating to repairing the handle while 'live' i do it all the time.....in fact school vandels are now steeling the complete handles for the brass...unbelievable huh.

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 Re: flushometer problem(s)
Author: Wheelchair (IL)

You could install a "Smooth Operator" to conceal the handle assembly and flush automatically.

Best Wishes

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 Re: flushometer problem(s)
Author: sgull (AK)

[www.plumbingsupply.com] :O WOW!



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