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 Symmons Temptrol Replacement
Author: Belmar (MA)

I currently have a Symmons Temptrol faucet installed in my bathtub/shower, and I’m not sure of the age (older than ten years – came with the house).

The finish & faceplate are worn and the faucet is again developing a leak (after replacing the TA-9 washers last year). It seems obvious to me that most of the valve unit needs to be replaced, so instead of replacing individual parts, I think the most cost effective way would be to purchase a whole new valve unit.

My question is if a new Temptrol valve unit will fit into the piping/fittings that the older valve unit will come out of? Or is this is more than a simple swap-out job?

Thanks.

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 Re: Symmons Temptrol Replacement
Author: redwood (CT)

I would suggest replacing the TA-4 seats before giving up on the valve. I find that Symmons valve rebuild very nicely unless the are being used in agressive water conditions. A special wrench is required to remove the seats. The drawing below shows the T-35 A & B seat wrenches.



I have a tool made by Raven Products in Westborough, Mass for Symmons Temptrol Mixers... I like it!
Part # SYMM/TOOL
(508)836-3707

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 Re: Symmons Temptrol Replacement
Author: packy (MA)

yeah, buy a whole new S-92-2. remove all the innards and install them into the old valve body.
seats, cartridge and diverter will all fit from new to old.
then install the trim, spout, shower arm, flange and head.
i just did this for someone and it is like they have a new valve..
PLUS, you don't need a MA plum

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 Re: Symmons Temptrol Replacement
Author: packy (MA)

yeah, buy a whole new S-92-2. remove all the innards and install them into the old valve body.
seats, cartridge and diverter will all fit from new to old.
then install the trim, spout, shower arm, flange and head.
i just did this for someone and it is like they have a new valve..
PLUS, you don't need a MA plumbers license to do this work...

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 Re: Symmons Temptrol Replacement
Author: plmbrgrl (MA)

Hopefully the valve body is not damaged in any way.
I've come across Symmons that have been stripped on the inside due to poor workmanship from the last rebuild. and the new rebuild kit just won't do the job.

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 Re: Symmons Temptrol Replacement
Author: plumb-bobII (VA)

As Redwood and Packy state, time for a rebuild. Thanks Redwood for the "heads up" on the tool. All my stuff is factory supplied, I have 2 tools, something I hate!

Keep in mind, if you install a new stem, it must be in the open position.

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 Re: Symmons Temptrol Replacement
Author: Belmar (MA)

Thanks for all the input!

Just to be clear, when purchasing the S-96-2 (or just the S-86-2?), does it include all the parts from the T-1 out to the handle? That’s what I was figuring to replace. Does this also include the special wrench?

Also, when you talk about the ‘old valve body’, do you mean the fixture the TA-4 (and out) goes into? If so, I was figuring to leave that in place. There didn’t seem to be anything wrong with it when I had everything apart to replace the TA-9 washers last year – that is unless you think I need to look it over more closely. Our town well water can be pretty harsh on plumbing…

Thanks again.

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 Re: Symmons Temptrol Replacement
Author: redwood (CT)

He was talking about buying a complete new valve and k-balling the parts off it.

Many times the price on a new valve is better than the parts alone.
You'll have to check the pricing to determine which is better for you.

The wrenches are sold separately.

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 Re: Symmons Temptrol Replacement
Author: packy (MA)

the T-35 and T-36 are the wrenches i use to service symmons.
the S-86-2 has no spout nor shower arm/head
the S-96-2 is a complete assembly
believe it or not, they cost me about the same.
the valve body is the only thing not numbered on the exploded view.

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 Re: Symmons Temptrol Replacement
Author: sha5555 (MA)

I purchased a complete valve because it was much cheaper than buying the parts separately. I plan to replace everything but the valve body. The problem is that I'm having difficulty removing the hot/cold seats (with the removal) from the new valve body. Any suggestions?

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 Re: Symmons Temptrol Replacement
Author: sha5555 (MA)

I purchased a complete valve because it was much cheaper than buying the parts separately. I plan to replace everything but the valve body. The problem is that I'm having difficulty removing the hot/cold seats (with the removal) from the new valve body. Any suggestions?

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