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 Crooked Toilet Flange (Cont.)
Author: timkindberg (OH)

My toilet flange was crooked and sticking up out of the ground about 1.5 inch on one side and 1 inch on the other side. So we cut it off and bought a flange that fit perfectly into the 3" PVC pipe. We used some PVC glue and primer and put the flange into the pipe. After waiting a day for the glue to set, we installed the toilet with a slab (we are using a slab because the toilet would rock otherwise) and a wax ring (the kind that is just the wax with no plastic part). We put the toilet on, hooked it up and flushed it. (below is what the toilet looked like when we were done.)


After a few minutes we noticed it leaking. It was leaking from two places. (see below pic)


My guess is that the wax ring broke while placing and lifting the toilet off the ground a few times to get the bolts through correctly, instead of a clean lay down. So I pulled the toilet back off and here is what the wax ring looked like. Does this look like it was a good seal?


Another thing I then noticed is that the flange was sitting about an inch off the ground, but when we installed it, it was flush with the ground, so I pushed on it and it slid back down to floor level. Guess the glue didn't really work, isn't PVC glue supposed to bond strongly?


SO I scraped off all the wax and then took the flange out of the pipe so that I could start all over. In the picture on the right below, you can also see how we put some wood blocks in to straighten the pipe, since it was originally coming up at an angle.


Here are my main questions:
Was I going about this the right way?
Was it the wax ring that broke the seal, can I just try again?
Why didn't the PVC glue bond correctly, how can I get it to?

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 Re: Crooked Toilet Flange (Cont.)
Author: redwood (CT)

The cement held great... You failed the lesson! Because you left class early without getting all the information.

See here [www.plbg.com]

The other thing you failed to do is secure the flange to the floor using #12 screws long enough to go through all the flooring. The flanges typically have 4-6 holes for screws to fasten down the flange. use as many as possible. Use brass or stainless steel screws. In cement I use Tapcon screws.

Not securing the flange caused it to break.
Now you get to try again!

The other thing wrong is with 3" pipe the flange should go on the outside of the pipe. 3" is a minimum size by code.



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 Re: Crooked Toilet Flange (Cont.)
Author: dlh (TX)

to add a bit to redwoods post, you should get a pvc flange with a stainless steel ring on it. those all pvc flanges have a tendency to break where the toilet mounting bolts go whether it is secured as redwood pointed out or not.

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 Re: Crooked Toilet Flange (Cont.)
Author: redwood (CT)

The link I gave him was to a post I made in his earlier thread that you saying that same thing was a very important point.

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 Re: Crooked Toilet Flange (Cont.)
Author: timkindberg (OH)

I guess I just don't see why a stainless steel flange is so important.

Also I want to explain that the last picture above is not showing a "broken off" flange. It's what's left after I just removed the new flange that I had purchased. The reason it looks all broken is because that is what is left over from the previous crooked flange that I had chipped out. Your seeing the pipe glued to the bottom of what is left of the previous flange and a coupler that is around the two.

Another point is, why would they sell a slightly smaller flange that fits inside the 3" if it wouldn't work?

Why did the PVC glue not bond? I was able to just pull the flange out with not much problem.

Can't I get this done without pouring concrete?

I know you guys are probably getting sick of me about now, I really really appreciated all the advice on the previous post. This is my first condo and my Dad sort of came over and looked at the advice everyone gave to me and then said "Well, we're just gonna do it like this!!". So that's why I didn't really do anything anyone told me to do. I do apologize.

Is there any way to get the job done with what I have? A marble slab and a plain wax ring?

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 Re: Crooked Toilet Flange (Cont.)
Author: redwood (CT)

Oh Okay... The last pic is what you started with. Essentially what happened is You did not screw down the flange so when you bolted on the toilet it pulled the flange off the pipe. Yes you do want a flange with a stainless steel ring... The all PVC flange is just plain junk! It is weak and prone to breakage. Flanges also come with painted steel rings which rust these are also junk! We like flanges with stainless steel rings because they work... & work... & work! Using good materials like that gives a plumber a good reputation.

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 Re: Crooked Toilet Flange (Cont.)
Author: dlh (TX)

and also keeps you from having to do this again any time soon

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 Re: Crooked Toilet Flange (Cont.)
Author: redwood (CT)

I'm lazy... I'd rather do the job 1 time!:laugh:

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 Re: Crooked Toilet Flange (Cont.)
Author: dlh (TX)

same here

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