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 what is the best water softener
Author: cvcman

if we end up needing one and our water stays at 20 grains hard what is the best softener to buy. Some say Fleck but what about the Whirlpool ones at Lowes ?

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 Re: what is the best water softener
Author: PlumberManDan (IA)

U get what JUST WHAT you pay for. Shall I continue?

PlumbCat TM 2003


Plumbermandan

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 Re: what is the best water softener
Author: redwood (CT)

Have your water tested then a proper system selected for your water conditions by a licensed water treatment specialist. Unless you like to buy new piping and fixtures regularly.

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 Re: what is the best water softener
Author: cvcman

plumbcat YES pls continue ! What is a GOOD name Fleck ? Also if I end up being like 20 grains hard with NO other issues should I treat all my water or NOT treat my drinking water ? Thank You

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 Re: what is the best water softener
Author: jblanche (WI)

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The site sponsor offers an Autotrol that I think is the same head I have. Although it may also be known as GE Water or Osmonics, and it seems to me GE Water is for sale, or a sale is pending.

The basic idea behind the two-tank model is to keep the electronics, valves and fittings away from the brine.

I soften everything except the kitchen cold faucet and the outside hose bibbs.

Softening adds sodium ions to the water you would drink. I am not sure about all the chemical equations. My water is 13 gpg, and I can taste the difference, although it's not objectionable. If you have a higher gpg it might be more noticeable, I suppose.

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 Re: what is the best water softener
Author: Buckeyetech (OH)

The reason for two tanks is so you never run out of soft water. When the metering device registers a predetermined amount of usage, the softner regenerates while shifting to the second tank. Thus you can continue to use your soft water, without drawing brine into your water lines. The two tanks also get the maximum out of the tank before regenerating.

Autotrol and Fleck are both very fine units. You can't go wrong with either one. I am not sure what the Whirlpool units from Lowes use, Lowes and other box stores obtain a license to use various names that are universally recognized by the consumer. They are not necessarily made by Whirlpool or whatever.



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 Re: what is the best water softener
Author: jblanche (WI)

That's not the kind of two-tanker I was talking about. I am not familiar with the one you're talking about; do you not have the brine tank and just have Culligan etc. bring you a new tank every so often?

Mine just has one skinny pressurized tank for the resin, which has the control head on top, and a big fat tubby one that I fill with salt (brine tank). A 3/8" flexible line runs between the two; it pipes water into the brine tank and suctions the brine back out to recharge the resin.

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 Re: what is the best water softener
Author: GSchreiber, CWSVI (MN)

Fleck makes Water Softener control valves. In the USA, they do not offer a complete Water Softener. Only Original Equipment Manufacturer's (OEM's) make complete units or Assembler's assemble their own units. Lowe's, Home Depot and other "Big Box" suppliers offer units from Water Softener OEM's such as GE Ecowater and Hague. Even Culligan sells complete units to some "Big Box" suppliers. I would advise against any of the Big Box units. They are typically the lower quality version of units that the OEM's provide under their own name. In addition, no Big Box stores offer service nor reliable recommendations for water problem solutions. I highly recommend buying from your local Plumber or from a local Water Treatment Specialist.

In addition, I always recommend softening of all "in house" water including drinking water. The sodium content is higher than the hard water and the water taste's different but not due to the sodium content. The different taste is due to the missing hard water minerals that give that water it's taste. I only recommend not softening drinking water if anyone in the home is on a Doctor prescribed low sodium diet. Some people with high blood pressure or heart problems can be on that. High sodium levels do not normally cause those problems but it can aggravate an existing condition. Soft water makes great coffee and when boiling vegetables with soft water they look and taste better.

By the way, GE Water is not for sale as previously mentioned. GE is ever expanding more and more into Water Treatment. Autotrol is now owned by GE.

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 Re: what is the best water softener
Author: jblanche (WI)

Thanks for correcting that GSchreiber. I was thinking of GE Plastics, I think. I wonder if GE Water will get plastics somewhere else once plastics is out of the family!

Interesting point about the different taste issue. Calcium is exchanged for sodium on the resin, isn't it?

And doesn't the sodium go into the water? So if I had 65 gpg hardness, I would get a lot more sodium in my water than at 13 gpg, wouldn't I? Would I taste the difference? Does sodium have no taste?

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 Re: what is the best water softener
Author: GSchreiber, CWSVI (MN)

GE Plastics has been sold.

GE Water didn't get plastics from GE Plastics.

Sodium does go into the water in exchange for Calcium and Magnesium as well as Iron. You will have more Sodium, but, it will not be enough to give more than a flat taste to the water. It won't be salty tasting. You do detect a taste change from hard water to flat tasting soft water. The flat taste is a no taste taste.

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 Re: what is the best water softener
Author: PlumberManDan (IA)

GSchreiber, CWSVI (MN)Actually has stated it more elequently than I could have, BIG BOX JUNK, Produced to lower quality standards, using cheaper materials, Fleck, Is a component MFG, NOT A system mfg.

PlumbCat TM 2003


Plumbermandan

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 Re: what is the best water softener
Author: jblanche (WI)

Since I am one to pick nits, to my own peril: Do I recall incorrectly that part of my GE softener head is made of Noryl? I think that's a GE plastics trademark. Maybe just the bypass valve?

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 Re: what is the best water softener
Author: GSchreiber, CWSVI (MN)

Noryl is a common used plastic in the water treatment industry. If the only source is GE then I believe that all those equipment manufacturer's will continue to by from GE Plastics or whatever other source. That would include any GE Water companies.

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